Watch Your-Self Talk: A Conversation on Identity, Addiction, and the Long Road Back to Yourself - with Andrew Drasen

I've had a lot of conversations on KneeToKnee. This is one that caused me to pause.

Andrew went through eight treatment programs before he found anything that actually worked. He was arrested for the first time his junior year of high school. He spent years in and out of the legal system. And at his last incarceration, he wrote a memoir, finished it five minutes before he walked out the door, and came home a different person.

The Seeds That Change Everything

One of the first things Andrew talked about was seeds. The small moments and experiences that plant the idea that a different life is possible. Because when you're deep in addiction or incarceration or grief, you don't believe change is available to you. And if you don't believe it's possible, you're not going to put in the work.

For Andrew, writing became one of those seeds. Sharing pieces of the memoir with other inmates and counselors. Watching it land. Realizing he could finish something. That shift changed the lens he saw himself through.

I've been going through my own version of this with my book. I'm on version 22. I know exactly what he means about the process changing you as you go.

Blowing Up the Word Recovery

Here's the part I wasn't expecting.

Andrew told me he's blown up the word "recovery." And when he explained what he meant, it made immediate sense.

Stopping the behavior is not recovery. It's step one. Real recovery means getting honest with yourself about what happened and why, figuring out what you actually want your life to look like, building a plan to create that life, and then maintaining it. The structure. The roadmap. The inner compass.

Without that, you stop the behavior and then drift. The structure fades. And without a clear sense of what you're building toward, you find yourself back where you started.

That's not just true for addiction. It's true for divorce. For losing a job at 45. For coming home from the military. For any moment that shakes your sense of who you are.

Caroline, Eva, and the Second Rebuild

Andrew also talked about losing Caroline to suicide. He described it as its own separate battle, its own identity crisis, with the same mechanics as addiction: you lose track of who you are and which direction you're heading.

He credits his dog Eva with helping him get through that period without reverting to old behaviors. I loved that. Because we talked about how animals ground us in a way that's hard to articulate but very real. They create a chemical response that pulls you back into your body, back into the present. Eva gave Andrew something to be responsible for when he had nothing else.

Watch Yourself Talk

The thing Andrew said that I keep coming back to is this:

Watch yourself talk.

We talk to ourselves more than we talk to anyone else across our entire lives. And what we tell ourselves shapes what we think, what we feel, what we believe, and ultimately what we do. Most of us are running a negative track and haven't even noticed.

Andrew's point is that you have to become aware of that track. Is what you're telling yourself based on a real narrative or an old story you inherited? Because you're going to build your life around whatever you believe to be true.

Connection Starts With Compassion

At the end of every episode I ask guests one question: what is one thing men can do to build deeper connections with the people around them?

Andrew's answer was simple: have compassion.

Take a genuine interest in someone else's life. Step outside your own story for a moment. Ask how you can help. That small shift, from self-focused to other-focused, does something real in the people around you. They feel it. And it changes the nature of the connection.

Paired with curiosity, which another guest brought up on this show, compassion is a real foundation for the kind of relationships that actually sustain men.

Find Andrew's Work

Andrew Drayson is the author of A Vision of Hope, a memoir about his journey from addiction to incarceration to rebuilding. He speaks at conferences, runs programming for reentry and treatment programs, and is heading to Washington, D.C. to brief senators on drug policy reform. You can find his book, podcast appearances, and blog at avisionofhopebook.com.

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